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{河南驴友第一案庭审记录}
昨天我到郑州市金水区人民法院为“伤心家属状告青石及同行驴友一案”做证人,现将驴友“乐乐”所记录的庭审内容公布如下:
地点:金水区人民法院
河南驴友第一案
事件:伤心一案,原告代理人要求被告15人赔偿原告抚养费192131元,死亡补偿金287440,精神抚慰金30000,丧葬费12408元,总金额百分之五十,共260989.50元 一.法庭调查
原告:诉讼请求宣读,260098.50元
主要指出被告组织,管理不善
被告:自助游的定义,风险自担
被告代理人陈述:事发地,经过三个队,郑州队在中间,鹤壁队有三个孩子(11.13.16),都顺利通过案发地,证明此路段并无危险.
被告代理人陈述:原告事后得到的补偿,原告所在单位大象出版社所给予原告父母每月各150元的安抚费,至到死亡,大象出版社给予原告儿女各每月300元的抚养费,直到18岁,大象出版社给予的抚助费,丧葬费用数额近85000元,网友组织的两次捐款,一次一万多元,一次九千多元, 同行者的爱心帮助款8000元(不包括有才的单独帮助),共计二十多万余元.
二、举证
原告的证明:派出所出具的死亡证明,父母子关系证明,夫妻证明
被告出具证据:1.财务贴(AA),剩余350元(退还驴友)
2.大河快乐之旅的章程,公约,伤心的约伴贴;
3.风险提示方面的贴子证明
4.事故发生之后,对伤心的救助证明
5.损失弥补证据
原告对被告的证据看法
1.对证据真实性无异议,但第一个证据与本案关连性不强,对事后处理证据太少
2.是否和法律有所依据
3.关连性和证据不强,任何事情预防不了,都是有过错的
4.对第四条无异议
5.单位的赔偿和旅游无关
被告证人:1.安全盾 洛阳驴友
2010.8.15早八点多左右带46位驴友,前往马伍寨到抱犊,讲述事发当时情况
被告代理人问证人:1.事发山路的状况
答:平坦,村民经常走
2.出事后的救助
答:郑州女性驴友在上面看背包,男性驴友全部下去,洛阳,鹤壁驴友也都去救助,当时队里有医生说不行了
被告证人:2.阿兆(鹤壁领队)
讲述出事当天经过,和洛阳驴友一样
被告代理人问:证人队伍中人员的年龄?
答:最大40多岁,最小的三位孩子,分别上小学,初中
2.出事地点山路状况
答:轻松,无危险
3.出事后,郑州驴友如何救助
答:着急,奔跑,大家纷纷让路,边跑边喊叫谁是医生,青石在崖石上打电话报警
原告对证人的异议:
1.叙述不完全一致,真实性有异议
2.第二证人鹤壁领队不在出事地点,是道听途说的
3.路况不真实,不平坦,是小斜坡
被告对原告提出问题
1.出行17人,除了死者,应起诉16人,为何有才未起诉?
被告答:两人关系好,已赔偿相应金额,家属不同意说出具体金额.
青石问原告
1.原告如何说鹤壁证人是道听途说?
原告代理人答:网上看的一篇驴友日记(某驴友名字省去),原告家属在网上下载的
旁听席上一位女驴友举手提出异议,说她就是原告代理人所提写日记的驴友,自己从未写过什么日记,那篇日记不是她所写.
2.何来侵权?
原告代理人答:被告组织不善,管理不善
同行被告驴友问:1.伤心的失误,对同行驴友的伤害和影响?
三,法庭辨论
原告代理人:1.自驾游,探险游属冒险行为,要互相帮助,团结友爱,而出事地点山路湿滑,发生坠崖事件,事后如何处理是重点
2.单位的,网友的捐助与同行集体无关,原告一直走在最前端,属于先锋,他对集体的贡献;诉状指出公平原则上赔偿,适当的补偿
3.与被告的电话沟通
4.死亡对家属的伤害
被告代理人:1.探险的意义,只是户外活动,风险来自自然和自身,领域里的规则,责任自担,无法律约定,社会公德;死者多次约伴,自担风险,明知风险,还要参加,就要自担责任;
2.原告的诉状自相矛盾,公平原则(双方均无过错,才适用公平原则,死者有过错如何适用公平原则分担损失?)
3.同行者关系,谁安排死者在前面带队?无证据
4.死者的贡献不成立,何为集体?
5.单位对死者家属的损失弥补与本案有关,是因死者的死亡引起
6.关与原告与被告的电话沟通,大家因共同爱好走在一起. 四,陈述
原告代理人:组织者有重大过错
被告代理人及被告:原告损失,按责任自担原则
青石指出: 被告所说依法律规定过于笼统模糊,请明确法律依据
同行驴友:均不愿意承担一切赔偿
五,总结陈述
六.调解
原告代理人同意调解
被告及被告代理人均不同意调解
休庭,择日宣判
地点:金水区人民法院
河南驴友第一案
事件:伤心一案,原告代理人要求被告15人赔偿原告抚养费192131元,死亡补偿金287440,精神抚慰金30000,丧葬费12408元,总金额百分之五十,共260989.50元 一.法庭调查
原告:诉讼请求宣读,260098.50元
主要指出被告组织,管理不善
被告:自助游的定义,风险自担
被告代理人陈述:事发地,经过三个队,郑州队在中间,鹤壁队有三个孩子(11.13.16),都顺利通过案发地,证明此路段并无危险.
被告代理人陈述:原告事后得到的补偿,原告所在单位大象出版社所给予原告父母每月各150元的安抚费,至到死亡,大象出版社给予原告儿女各每月300元的抚养费,直到18岁,大象出版社给予的抚助费,丧葬费用数额近85000元,网友组织的两次捐款,一次一万多元,一次九千多元, 同行者的爱心帮助款8000元(不包括有才的单独帮助),共计二十多万余元.
二、举证
原告的证明:派出所出具的死亡证明,父母子关系证明,夫妻证明
被告出具证据:1.财务贴(AA),剩余350元(退还驴友)
2.大河快乐之旅的章程,公约,伤心的约伴贴;
3.风险提示方面的贴子证明
4.事故发生之后,对伤心的救助证明
5.损失弥补证据
原告对被告的证据看法
1.对证据真实性无异议,但第一个证据与本案关连性不强,对事后处理证据太少
2.是否和法律有所依据
3.关连性和证据不强,任何事情预防不了,都是有过错的
4.对第四条无异议
5.单位的赔偿和旅游无关
被告证人:1.安全盾 洛阳驴友
2010.8.15早八点多左右带46位驴友,前往马伍寨到抱犊,讲述事发当时情况
被告代理人问证人:1.事发山路的状况
答:平坦,村民经常走
2.出事后的救助
答:郑州女性驴友在上面看背包,男性驴友全部下去,洛阳,鹤壁驴友也都去救助,当时队里有医生说不行了
被告证人:2.阿兆(鹤壁领队)
讲述出事当天经过,和洛阳驴友一样
被告代理人问:证人队伍中人员的年龄?
答:最大40多岁,最小的三位孩子,分别上小学,初中
2.出事地点山路状况
答:轻松,无危险
3.出事后,郑州驴友如何救助
答:着急,奔跑,大家纷纷让路,边跑边喊叫谁是医生,青石在崖石上打电话报警
原告对证人的异议:
1.叙述不完全一致,真实性有异议
2.第二证人鹤壁领队不在出事地点,是道听途说的
3.路况不真实,不平坦,是小斜坡
被告对原告提出问题
1.出行17人,除了死者,应起诉16人,为何有才未起诉?
被告答:两人关系好,已赔偿相应金额,家属不同意说出具体金额.
青石问原告
1.原告如何说鹤壁证人是道听途说?
原告代理人答:网上看的一篇驴友日记(某驴友名字省去),原告家属在网上下载的
旁听席上一位女驴友举手提出异议,说她就是原告代理人所提写日记的驴友,自己从未写过什么日记,那篇日记不是她所写.
2.何来侵权?
原告代理人答:被告组织不善,管理不善
同行被告驴友问:1.伤心的失误,对同行驴友的伤害和影响?
三,法庭辨论
原告代理人:1.自驾游,探险游属冒险行为,要互相帮助,团结友爱,而出事地点山路湿滑,发生坠崖事件,事后如何处理是重点
2.单位的,网友的捐助与同行集体无关,原告一直走在最前端,属于先锋,他对集体的贡献;诉状指出公平原则上赔偿,适当的补偿
3.与被告的电话沟通
4.死亡对家属的伤害
被告代理人:1.探险的意义,只是户外活动,风险来自自然和自身,领域里的规则,责任自担,无法律约定,社会公德;死者多次约伴,自担风险,明知风险,还要参加,就要自担责任;
2.原告的诉状自相矛盾,公平原则(双方均无过错,才适用公平原则,死者有过错如何适用公平原则分担损失?)
3.同行者关系,谁安排死者在前面带队?无证据
4.死者的贡献不成立,何为集体?
5.单位对死者家属的损失弥补与本案有关,是因死者的死亡引起
6.关与原告与被告的电话沟通,大家因共同爱好走在一起. 四,陈述
原告代理人:组织者有重大过错
被告代理人及被告:原告损失,按责任自担原则
青石指出: 被告所说依法律规定过于笼统模糊,请明确法律依据
同行驴友:均不愿意承担一切赔偿
五,总结陈述
六.调解
原告代理人同意调解
被告及被告代理人均不同意调解
休庭,择日宣判
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